I think I need to post about neighbors’ animals killing livestock. Just since the end of May, I’ve lost two ducks, two chickens and my best rooster to other peoples’ dogs on my property.
There’s no leash law here. Honestly, I don’t think there should be. That’s a subject for a different time.
Our county does state that if you or your livestock are threatened, you can put down the dog. I had to do this the other day.
So, there have been incidents with two dogs. I’ll talk about the latest one first.
I went out to water the Delawares at lunch time, and noticed a pile of feathers near the chicken tractor. Basically, the dog got its nose under the tractor far enough that it could reach a hen. I kept an eye out for the predator while I worked. Sure enough, I saw a dog that had come for a snack. It was a little past sunset when the dog came running by. It had a chicken in its mouth.
I didn’t recognize the dog, which is a strike against it. I don’t know all the dogs in the area, but I would recognize eight or nine at least. It had no collar, which is a second strike against it. There are some wild dogs running around our area and they’re bad news. Plus, two lost birds in one day means that this is probably a habit. Strike three. I made the choice to shoot it.
Some of you are going to be upset with me. I totally get that. I’m hoping you can get through this post and see both sides. Some of you are cheering me on. Honestly, it’s a tragedy either way.
I’ve been told that I should have fed the dog. A good friend told me this. I think she was operating on a misconception. It’s very unlikely that the dog was killing my chickens just to satisfy hunger. It didn’t eat the first chicken it killed. It wasn’t so hungry that it stopped to eat the second chicken it killed either.
The chickens were part of a game that it was playing. This was entertainment for the dog.
The story doesn’t improve from there.
It turns out that this was a neighbor’s dog and they were very upset. I get that. They’re sad that their dog isn’t around any more.
Should I have recognized my neighbor’s dog? Nope. I’ve had dealings with them before and it was about another one of their animals, a horse that was running loose. I wasn’t impressed then and thought it was best to keep my distance.
Would I have shot the dog if I had known it was a neighbor’s animal? Probably not. The ducks and rooster that I lost were killed by a different neighbor’s dog. I went to the neighbor and the dog doesn’t live with them anymore.
So, the neighbors are upset. I explained to them that their dog was killing my chickens. I got cussed at, threatened, etc. I shrugged and walked away. There was no reasoning with them.
It doesn’t get better from there.
They called the police. I have to say the sheriff’s deputies were very polite. They interviewed me and said that I was well within my rights. They asked about the neighbor’s other missing dog, which I new nothing about, and left. They came back a little later, asking about an arrangement to get the dog back to the neighbors. I was more than willing to oblige.
I was very angry. In retrospect, I think it was the lack of respect for me and what was mine that fired me up. I was forced to pick between two bad choices and I lost property that was valuable to me.
I’ve made my points. I’m going to keep writing, because some of you may not understand what the big deal was about a couple chickens. Please feel free to read on if that’s the case. If you already “get” what I’m writing, you probably don’t want to keep going–it’s going to sound like a rant.
My and my family’s investment in the Delaware flock is enormous.
We paid for a membership to have a certified flock, with teaching and certification. Then we paid a lot for the chicks we received. At that point, we had invested about $2k into the birds.
Then, I build brooder boxes, a chicken tractor. I bought waterers and feeders. I spent electricity to keep the chicks warm.
My calculation is that I’ve bought over 2,000 lbs of feed for them. If anything, the number is low. That’s over $400 in feed. Plus, the fuel to get the feed. With all of the above, we’re looking at around $3,000.
We’ve invested about $43 per bird.
Then there’s the time investment. The birds get fed twice a day and watered three times a day. We’ve put a lot of time into handling all of the birds as well.
The birds are worth more than their price per lb. It’s their future that has value to me. They’re going to lay eggs and I’ll sell them. The best of the birds will breed and I’ll sell the chicks. I should get a minimum of five years of production from these birds. But now I have a few less of them.
Thankfully, I have enough birds that the impact wouldn’t be as great as if I only had a dozen. I have about seventy Delawares. About half are hens. I lost two out of about thirty-five hens. That’s a little less than six percent of my hens. Can you imagine if my flock size was a dozen and I lost two out of six? I would have lost thirty-three percent.
What lessons should you bring from this?
Know that you could lose animals this way. Have a plan for if it happens.
Know your local laws.
Raise a few extra chickens so losses won’t impact you badly.
Dad shot one of our dogs because it got into the sheep. He said that once they get the taste of blood there is no stopping them. If you had not shot the dog wouldn’t it have kept on killing your chickens? It sounds like the neighbors would not have done anything if you had known it was their dog and talked to them.
I like the blogs. I just wondering the other day when you were going to post another one.
Thanks, Chris. I think you’re exactly right. Thanks for the compliment too!
no real argument here. I would have shot first and the buried the damn thing. I have to fine dogs and the are always trying to get out and roam. I had them fixed, they still want to run around. I try my best to keep them on my property, but sometimes they sneak out on me and I get so frustrated because if there were not my dogs and on my property, I know I would shoot them the first time I saw them.
Your neighbors do not sound like they really care much for their dogs, or maybe they are complete morons either way, maybe next time they will keep the dogs on their own property.
You’ve spent way too much time and money to worry about a neighbor’s dog having sport with your birds.
Our dog gets off the run sometimes. I’d completely understand if he did something bad and someone shot him.
I have to chime in. It’s not like we sit on the porch waiting for a dog to come by to shoot. We are reasonable people, but we also do this to put food on our table. If this was a one time thing, we’d not be discussing this. But we’ve had more than our share of dealing with this particular neighbors critters getting out.
I love my dog, but if he got away and killed your livestock, ruined your fence, ate your garden…you would have my deepest apologies and at the very least, an offer of money to replace what was lost.
When I was trimming the trees over on Amy Lane last winter I had a pack of dogs circling around me a few times. It was a neighbors. That point on I started carrying a firearm. I also carry when I am riding the bike. I am not going to wreck my bike or end up in the hospital because some one can not control there dogs. If I do get chased, I will stop and fire a warning shot. If the problem persists I will do what I need to do. There is a reason we fenced in our yard…just to keep our 4 dogs in the yard. Some folks say it is cruel to chain up a dog….then put up a fence…..or don’t have the dog….wonder how this person would feel if they were riding a motorcycle down the road and ended up crashing it because of a dog that was loose?? Just wondering….are the new folks the ones you are having troubles with??
I did speak to the Sheriffs about being chased while on the bike….was told to to whatever I needed to to ensure my safety…..
We have had 4 neighbors dogs attack at least 4 times this season. We have lost over a dozen chickens and one rabbit. A guinea fowl lost all his tail feathers and survived. We were down to one rooster and one hen but my flock of youngsters is up to 28. I have been fortifying their coop and run all summer and trying to live trap the dogs. We have a wildlife cam so we know they come back regularly and the aren’t looking for food. Bait didn’t work in the trap until we put in a live chicken (inside a squirrel trap). One dog went into the trap without tripping the door mechanism. Since then we’ve improved the trap so that it has a better trip mechanism and I put 3 chickens in a compartment at the back of the trap protected by chicken wire. They still come to the trap but won’t go in. At this point ,I’d rather just shoot the dogs. They want mayhem and blood. I know exactly what you went through. This dogs are slick they mostly come in the middle of the night. I am at my wits end so any advice is welcome.